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02/24/2011 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:19:46 PM Presentation: Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority
04:58:15 PM Adjourn
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Jeff Jessee, Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
      HOUSE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                     
                       February 24, 2011                                                                                        
                           3:18 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wes Keller, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Alan Dick, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Bob Miller                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION:  ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH TRUST AUTHORITY                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEFF JESSEE, Chief Executive Officer                                                                                            
Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority                                                                                            
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of the Alaska Mental                                                               
Health Trust Authority.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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3:18:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WES KELLER  called the  House Health  and Social  Services                                                             
Standing   Committee    meeting   to    order   at    3:18   p.m.                                                               
Representatives  Keller, Dick,  and  Miller were  present at  the                                                               
call to order.  Representatives  Herron and Cissna arrived as the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority                                                                          
      Presentation:  Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR KELLER announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
a presentation by the Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF JESSEE, Chief Executive Officer,  Alaska Mental Health Trust                                                               
Authority, Department  of Revenue, reported that  currently there                                                               
was  a history  project  researching the  history  of the  Trust,                                                               
developing a  data base,  and planning a  website.   Referring to                                                               
the territorial  days in Alaska,  and the barbaric  mental health                                                               
system,  he explained  that  any  person experiencing  difficulty                                                               
with support arising from mental  disability was charged with the                                                               
crime of  being an  "Insane Person at  Large" by  the territorial                                                               
officials.   He  shared that  hundreds and  hundreds of  Alaskans                                                               
were charged  and transported to Morningside  Hospital in Oregon,                                                               
and their families were never apprised of what happened to them.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE ascertained that mental  health became an issue during                                                               
the  statehood discussions,  as the  federal government  had paid                                                               
for Morningside  Hospital in Oregon,  but upon  statehood, Alaska                                                               
would have  to pay  for this.   This resulted  in passage  of the                                                               
Alaska Mental  Health Enabling  Act of  1956, which  consisted of                                                               
three parts: money to build  a psychiatric hospital in Alaska, an                                                               
annual decrease of operating monies,  and a land trust for Alaska                                                               
Mental Health Trust  lands.  He reported that some  of this money                                                               
was  used to  build  the  first wing  of  the Alaska  Psychiatric                                                               
Institute (API),  as well  as to  purchase a  motel in  Valdez to                                                               
house   people   with    development   disabilities,   Harborview                                                               
Developmental  Center.   The decreasing  federal operating  money                                                               
was used  to wean Alaska off  federal money.  The  land trust was                                                               
modeled off the university and  school land trusts, was the first                                                               
and  only  mental health  land  trust,  and  was increased  to  1                                                               
million acres  from the original  500,000 acres upon  the outrage                                                               
for this irresponsible action  by Nebraska Representative Miller.                                                               
The land trust  was designed to generate money  for mental health                                                               
services.   He  listed the  Mental Health  Trust land  to include                                                               
land around  the Homer  Spit, Kenai River  frontage, and  the big                                                               
trees around  Haines.   He whimsically observed  that just  a few                                                               
acres  in  the  Prudhoe  Bay   area  would  have  guaranteed  the                                                               
financial future for mental health in Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:26:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:27:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  declared that  the State of  Alaska had  selected the                                                               
most  valuable land  possible from  the federal  government.   He                                                               
recounted  that the  Church of  Scientology  in San  Diego had  a                                                               
local newspaper print an expose about  a gulag being built in the                                                               
frozen  north to  send  communists and  other  dissidents.   This                                                               
distracted  attention  from  statehood.    At  statehood,  Alaska                                                               
received 100 million  acres of land, which was lumped  with the 1                                                               
million acres  of Alaska Mental  Health Trust land,  resulting in                                                               
half  of this  land being  given  away to  Alaskans through  land                                                               
lotteries,  homesteads, and  agricultural  demands  at less  than                                                               
fair  market value.   He  noted that  this use  of Mental  Health                                                               
Trust land  unraveled in  the late  1970s when  local governments                                                               
were  allowed to  select state  land  for local  purposes.   This                                                               
local process  selected more than  27 percent of The  Trust land,                                                               
as it was so well located.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:29:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  recounted that  as local  government lawyers  went to                                                               
file title  for this land, it  was discovered that 27  percent of                                                               
the  land was  Alaska  Mental  Health Trust  land,  and had  been                                                               
obtained at no  charge.  This lead to questions  over land title,                                                               
as it was  recognized that the trustees were likely  in breach of                                                               
the trust.   The local governments went to  the state legislature                                                               
in  1979, requesting  clear  title  to the  land,  so the  entire                                                               
Alaska  Mental  Health Trust  land  was  redesignated as  general                                                               
state land.   However, legislature  lawyers pointed out  that, as                                                               
trustees for the mental health  land trust, the legislature could                                                               
not take  the land without paying  for it.  The  legislature then                                                               
set  up a  Mental  Health  Trust income  account  to receive  1.5                                                               
percent of all  state land sales.  He pointed  out that, however,                                                               
the Alaska  State Legislature forgot  to make any  deposits, and,                                                               
in 1982,  a Fairbanks  lawyer, Steve  Cowper, filed  the original                                                               
Alaska Mental  Health Trust  lands lawsuit.   He  recounted Steve                                                               
Cowper's history as  a legislator who "voted to  steal the land,"                                                               
as a lawyer who filed the lawsuit  to regain the land, and as the                                                               
governor who  presided over two  failed settlement attempts.   In                                                               
1985,  the Alaska  Supreme  Court, in  a  three page  settlement,                                                               
stated that the  land needed to be returned to  the Alaska Mental                                                               
Health  Land Trust,  which began  a  decade of  litigation and  a                                                               
court ordered injunction on the  1 million acres which prohibited                                                               
any further use.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:34:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE explained  that, as  much of  the land  could not  be                                                               
returned, a  committee of  land experts placed  a value  of about                                                               
$2.2 billion on the  1 million acres.  He noted  that a number of                                                               
failed settlement attempts  followed, and then, in  1994, all the                                                               
stakeholders  gathered  to  designate replacement  for  the  lost                                                               
500,000 acres.  This land was  determined not to be worth as much                                                               
as  the original  land,  so there  was an  agreement  for a  cash                                                               
compensation of $200 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:38:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE pointed  to the dilemma for  legislators, as trustees,                                                               
to apply a  limited fiduciary responsibility to a  limited set of                                                               
assets while  considering its  overall responsibility  for public                                                               
trust.  It  was decided to appoint a substitute  trustee with the                                                               
power to oversee the asset  and spend money without a legislative                                                               
appropriation.  He  shared that a seven member  board of trustees                                                               
was appointed by the governor,  and confirmed by the legislature.                                                               
A plan  was agreed upon  to have the  land managed by  a separate                                                               
unit within the Department of  Natural Resources (DNR), the trust                                                               
land  office, which  contracted with  the trustees.   The  Alaska                                                               
Permanent  fund would  manage the  money, and  the Alaska  Mental                                                               
Health Trust  would pay  its share  of the  expenses and  get its                                                               
share of  the profit.   He specified  that The Trust  spent about                                                               
$160 million of general funds  and $140 million of Medicaid funds                                                               
each year, while its assets  generated about $23-$25 million each                                                               
year.   He conveyed that the  trustees recognized the need  to be                                                               
catalysts for change to improve the mental health program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:43:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE, reflecting  on  the $160,000  cost  per resident  at                                                               
Harborview in  1964, noted  that the  Alaska Mental  Health Trust                                                               
Authority had wanted  to close the facility,  but the legislature                                                               
would  not agree.   He  confirmed  the need  for community  based                                                               
services, which would require additional  investment to allow for                                                               
the transition.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  stated that the  Trust had  offered to pay  for three                                                               
years of  Harborview operation, if  the Legislature  would invest                                                               
the  comparable   amount  of   operating  money   into  community                                                               
services.   In this way, Alaska  became only the second  state in                                                               
the nation without an institution  for the mentally retarded, but                                                               
community services were created.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE moved on to  discuss women with chronic mental illness                                                               
in  correctional institutions,  who were  in 23  hour segregation                                                               
from the  main prison  population.   He reflected  on discussions                                                               
with Representative  Eldon Mulder,  Co-Chair of Finance,  and the                                                               
subsequent financial  and operating  plan designed by  The Trust.                                                               
He noted  that the Alaska  Mental Health Trust  Authority offered                                                               
to pay 100  percent of the cost  in year one, 67  percent in year                                                               
two, and  33 percent  of the  cost in  year three,  which allowed                                                               
incremental  adjustments  to the  state  budget  for those  three                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE stated  that The Alaska Mental  Health Trust Authority                                                               
was a "data driven, outcome focused organization."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE, in response to Chair  Keller, said that a little over                                                               
900,000 acres, with  subsurface rights, was being  managed by The                                                               
Trust.  He  noted that some land, specifically  land with timber,                                                               
was easily  convertible to cash.   He pointed out that  The Trust                                                               
land  office had  a different  mandate and  different regulations                                                               
than DNR, as  it only had to maximize revenue  from the land over                                                               
time.   He agreed that  there were instances of  controversy with                                                               
local  communities, and  that, if  possible, The  Trust tried  to                                                               
accommodate the  local community.   He  offered some  examples of                                                               
land leases  and sales.   He pointed to the  upcoming exploration                                                               
license for low grade coal on 160,000 acres of The Trust land.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:00:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER  asked if there  was a  time that The  Alaska Mental                                                               
Health Trust Authority would be self sufficient.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE, in  response,  said no.   He  declared  that it  was                                                               
unlikely that  The Trust would  generate $160 million  each year.                                                               
He confirmed  that oil and  gas were the revenue  generators, and                                                               
that revenue was  being generated from hard  rock minerals, coal,                                                               
and a few other deposits.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KELLER  asked   for  a  breakdown  to   the  $160  million                                                               
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE replied  that the  settlement required  the State  of                                                               
Alaska to  have a  separate bill for  the mental  health program,                                                               
which was detailed by department, division, and budget request.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:03:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE stated that the  $25 million which The Trust generated                                                               
each year just  happened to be the right amount  of money to help                                                               
improve  the $300  million program.   He  opined that  the Alaska                                                               
State Legislature would have required  more income from The Trust                                                               
if it was generating more income.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER asked  to clarify that The Trust did  not want to be                                                               
more than a catalyst for change.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  replied that it was  not likely that The  Trust would                                                               
offer more  base support.  He  pointed to the $1.3  million spent                                                               
for mini  grants of  up to  $3,000 each to  improve the  lives of                                                               
beneficiaries.   He  defined that  80 percent  of the  mini grant                                                               
requests were  for dental  care; once  that need  was recognized,                                                               
then  the  Trust supplied  funding  to  add  dental care  to  the                                                               
Medicaid program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:06:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK  reflected on  the  problems  that a  family                                                               
member had with mental health issues  and the lack of support and                                                               
services.   He  commented on  the exhaustion  and desperation  of                                                               
many  family members.    Reflecting on  the  dearth of  available                                                               
services, he questioned the benefits  for the expenditure of $160                                                               
million.   He declared that  his was  a "painful, dismal  view of                                                               
the mental health services in Alaska."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE agreed  that these  were some  excellent points,  and                                                               
that Alaska had struggled with  many of these issues since before                                                               
statehood.   He  pointed to  some administration  decisions which                                                               
had eliminated  funding in  lieu of Medicaid.   He  declared that                                                               
Medicaid  was   a  dependency  promoting   medical  model.     He                                                               
established the  need to be  extremely ill before there  was help                                                               
from  the community  mental  health center  because  most of  the                                                               
funding had  to be  billable to  Medicaid.   He pointed  out that                                                               
this did not allow  for help to an individual who  was not yet in                                                               
crisis.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE  said  there  were  incremental  gains  toward  safe,                                                               
affordable, permanent  housing, and for support  services to keep                                                               
people in  this housing.   He informed  that there had  been very                                                               
few supportive housing units for  people with mental illness, but                                                               
that there was  now an increase in funding to  almost $10 million                                                               
annually for  this population.   He approved of the  support that                                                               
this afforded the families of the mentally ill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:14:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK opined  that there  was difficulty  with the                                                               
system when the  person was over 18, as  concerned family members                                                               
could not become  involved.  He asked about  the federal funding,                                                               
which  stipulated that  an individual  over 18  was free  to make                                                               
their own choices.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  agreed, but pointed  out that both federal  and state                                                               
law  stated  that legal  authority  was  necessary to  engage  in                                                               
another adult's  business.   He offered  that guardianship  was a                                                               
way to make legal decisions on another adult's behalf.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK offered another personal story.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:18:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE, in  response to  Representative Dick,  described the                                                               
mental health  crisis intervention training for  police officers,                                                               
and noted  that Anchorage PD  was nationally recognized  for this                                                               
training.  He  agreed that previously, an individual  was sent to                                                               
Alaska Psychiatric Institute (API),  but that currently there was                                                               
a  psychiatric  emergency  room   at  Providence  Hospital.    He                                                               
affirmed  that   supportive  housing   was  now   available  upon                                                               
discharge.  He  directed attention to the  therapeutic courts, as                                                               
there was a cyclic occurrence  of misdemeanors among the mentally                                                               
ill.   He explained  that the therapeutic  court assigned  a case                                                               
manager,  who   would  connect  the  mentally   ill  to  services                                                               
available in the community.  He  shared stories of the success of                                                               
these courts.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK asked  if these  services were  available in                                                               
the bush.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE replied that there was  now a wellness court in Bethel                                                               
and  a mental  health  court  in Anchorage  because  a judge  had                                                               
recognized  the need.   He  shared  that Senator  Lyda Green  had                                                               
requested  a mental  health  court  in Palmer,  but  that he  had                                                               
cautioned  her about  the  initial  costs.   He  offered to  help                                                               
create  a mental  health court  with Alaska  Mental Health  Trust                                                               
monies.   He  agreed that  general  funds would  be necessary  to                                                               
finance the court after three years,  but he pointed out that the                                                               
investment would  be for a known  result.  He accepted  the blame                                                               
for the  Trust creating successful programs,  and then requesting                                                               
operating financing from the Legislature.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER opined  that the legislature was  concerned with the                                                               
expansion of programs,  as there was a  financial breaking point.                                                               
He pointed  to the limited amount  of money and the  necessity of                                                               
balancing  the distribution.   He  declared the  need to  receive                                                               
value for the expenditures.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:30:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK  offered   his  belief  that  accountability                                                               
allowed the Legislature to prioritize for what was working.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE observed  that The Trust tried to be  data driven.  He                                                               
pointed out  that The Trust  had paid for the  longitudinal study                                                               
which  compared the  number of  days the  participants in  mental                                                               
health court  had spent in  corrections and  in API for  the year                                                               
prior and  the year after  mental health  court.  He  confirmed a                                                               
significant  reduction for  both  days in  correction and  costs,                                                               
compared to the cost of the program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE shared an example of  the Bring the Kids Home program.                                                               
Although there had not been a  guarantee that Bring the Kids Home                                                               
would  save   money,  he  declared   that  the   reinvestment  in                                                               
residential psychiatric  treatment centers  (RPTC) in  Alaska had                                                               
resulted in a  decline in money spent.   He expressed frustration                                                               
that key  components of  the service system  for the  program had                                                               
not  been put  in  place,  as these  would  allow  for the  final                                                               
success  of   the  initiative.     He  asked  to  be   told  what                                                               
programmatic  outcome was  desired, or  how much  the Legislature                                                               
wanted to spend, so that The  Trust could build the best possible                                                               
programs.  He  stated the need to work in  concert, and to review                                                               
the cost benefit of each program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:36:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER replied that he  wanted a comprehensive view of each                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA reflected  on the history of  the Bring the                                                               
Kids Home  program and  the Alaska Youth  Initiative (AYI).   She                                                               
requested  that   work  be  primarily  on   the  community  based                                                               
programs, especially for preventative  programs.  She opined that                                                               
Alaska invested in illness, not prevention.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:39:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE summarized  that a  mental health  continuum of  care                                                               
should start with  the support of families  within the community,                                                               
and only when  those supports were insufficient would  there be a                                                               
move to the  next level of care.  He  declared that institutional                                                               
or out of state care should be the last resort.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE offered his belief that  it was necessary to invest in                                                               
prevention and  early intervention services, but  the legislature                                                               
did  not  have   the  tolerance  for  a   long  term  investment.                                                               
Consequently,  the Trust  had chosen  to  deliver specific  short                                                               
term results, and to use the savings to invest in in-state care.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE   stressed  that  long   term  solutions   were  only                                                               
attainable  with  investments in  prevention.    He compared  the                                                               
group  homes to  larger  facilities, and  pointed  to the  better                                                               
quality  of life,  and the  comparative ease  for divesting  this                                                               
asset if it became unnecessary.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE offered an example  of families with autistic children                                                               
and the difficulties these families  faced.  He detailed that The                                                               
Trust built  and funded  an autism resource  center to  help keep                                                               
autistic children in the home  and to become productive citizens.                                                               
He  pointed  to  the  results  and  suggested  that  the  ongoing                                                               
expenses should now be budgeted from the state general funds.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DICK explained  that these  requests should  have                                                               
been brought  to the  House Health  and Social  Services Standing                                                               
Committee, and not the House Education Standing Committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  shared  a   personal  family  account  of                                                               
autism, and  agreed with those  needs as outlined by  Mr. Jessee.                                                               
He agreed that although unlimited  funding could not be supplied,                                                               
the emotional and financial costs were not quantifiable.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:48:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER  opined that costs  had to  be quantified as  it was                                                               
not possible to solve all the problems.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA offered  her belief  that the  politics of                                                               
the impossible  had changed.  She  pointed to the current  use of                                                               
telemedicine  carts  in rural  communities.    She asked  if  the                                                               
autism resource center had telemedicine capabilities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JESSEE replied  that  telemedicine  and telepsychiatry  were                                                               
part of  the autism resource center  plan.  He stressed  the need                                                               
for cost effectiveness of programs,  and he stated that the Trust                                                               
had discontinued programs that were  too expensive.  He expressed                                                               
agreement  for the  development of  more data,  but he  cautioned                                                               
that "data  costs money.   If you're  gonna spend money  on data,                                                               
you need to have a pretty good idea  going in, of what it is that                                                               
you're gonna  do with it when  you buy it."   He established that                                                               
he had banned the phrase "It  would be interesting to know" as it                                                               
was necessary to know upfront  how the information could affect a                                                               
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:53:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KELLER replied that data was essential to make decisions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JESSEE  suggested that  a bill  to mandate  behavioral health                                                               
coverage  in private  health insurance  plans  would relieve  the                                                               
State  of Alaska  of that  responsibility.   He acknowledged  the                                                               
balance between fiscal realities  and directive to private sector                                                               
industries.    He  confirmed  that   when  individuals  were  not                                                               
responsible for paying for their  own needs, then the state would                                                               
pay, and he offered the mandatory helmet laws as an example.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA suggested that the "cost of not doing                                                                     
things" was very expensive.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Health and Social Services Standing Committee meeting was                                                                       
adjourned at 4:58 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
mental health trust.pdf HHSS 2/24/2011 3:00:00 PM